CELEBRITY NUTRITIONIST ON BIAS & BUILDING A BUSINESS AT 21

First Days On Celebrity Sets

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome back. Today we have an amazing guest, Hailey Pomoy. She is a celebrity nutritionist. And I have a just one question for you. What was it like the first time you were ever on a set doing like health stuff for the actors?

SPEAKER_00 0:14

Oh my gosh. Um, it was so I I would say fun, exciting. And I really think we underestimate how hard they work. Like I it was really kind of shocking to me. I thought, you know, like maybe they're taking breaks and you know, getting people feeding grapes in their mouth and fanning them with, you know, fans and I don't know. But but like they work long hours and sometimes overnight and sometimes a lot of physical stress. And it would that I would think that was the thing that most impressed me. Do you have to stay with them throughout that? No, no. I mean, I jump in and jump out. So I've been in when, and and sometimes they're gracious, and like I get to do go to a really um when Jennifer Lopez and Iggy Azalea were doing a music video, like I got to go, like I didn't, they didn't need me for that by any stretch of the imagination except for to be in awe, right? Um, but like that was so much fun. So and then like I've flown up to Caesars Palace when Cher was up there and you know, got to go in the back and watch her do all her vocal warm-ups and see all the Bob Mackey dresses. Again, they did not need my nutritional influence for that. But I think just helping them prepare to be their like most best and be able to um express themselves to their fullest in their art. Yeah. I think that they're so gracious and good to me to let me enjoy some of the fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:30

And it's amazing that you even get to like meet them. I think the biggest celebrity I've met is like Larry Fitzgerald or something in golf course. Yeah, you know gave them a fist bump when I was eight.

SPEAKER_00 1:41

There are it just I'm I'm fortunate, but maybe this is me having boundaries too. Like everybody I've gotten to work with are lovely human beings.

SPEAKER_01 1:50

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:51

So I'm lucky that way.

SPEAKER_01 1:52

Well, I mean, if I have NDAs, we've been weren't we can't even talk about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:56

You know, it's funny, they they're pretty good to meet that way.

SPEAKER_01 1:58

So that's amazing.

What A Health Strategist Does

SPEAKER_01 2:00

So what is it that you really so you do nutritional stuff. So is it like before um a movie or a music video, you go with them and work on their nutrition?

SPEAKER_00 2:07

Well, so what I'm called is a health strategist. Yeah. And so basically, what whether it's a professional athlete or it's someone that's in front of the camera, like an A-list celebrity or something like that, or maybe a CEO, a captain of industry and business, or someone like myself that was dealing with an autoimmune disorder, I look at the entire picture and work to optimize their health. So I work everything. Sometimes I'll bring in a chef, sometimes I'll bring in an acupuncturist, sometimes I'll bring in Ivy nutritionals, you know, all ask, or we'll jump over to a phenomenal institution like Brigham and Women's and get the right diagnostics. Like it's all about, I always say a clinic without walls, right? Everything to make them have the highest capacity to be at the top of their game.

SPEAKER_01 2:53

Um,

Autoimmune Diagnosis And Food Healing

SPEAKER_01 2:54

okay, so one of the things that we kind of focus on in this podcast is kind of growth over time. Absolutely. And I'm kind of curious. So at 19, 18, you're in you were in college, you were in med school. Oh, well, on the track to getting into med school. Vet school. Vet school. Yeah. But similar kind of type of things. Um, so you were on your way to vet school. How was it kind of, well, first of all, growing up with a passion that you knew exactly what you wanted to do and you knew where you wanted to go.

SPEAKER_00 3:23

So I got sick at right about your age. I got super, super sick. I was diagnosed with an autoimmune disorder. Um, it's called ITP. So it's a bleeding disorder. So basically, your body attacks the cells that make you stop bleeding when you cut yourself or have a surgery. So I was 19 and I uh hemorrhaged from a routine tonsilectomy. And that was they, you know, thought about hemophilia and a few other things. And then um I was diagnosed with ITP. So I took a medical leave of absence thinking that I was going to be able to kind of solve it fairly quickly.

SPEAKER_02 3:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:55

But really, the path for autoimmunity, and and again, mind you, this is I'm 54 years old. It's a long time ago. Yeah. So it was a ton of medications. I was on steroids, I was on anti-rejection drugs, um, and I just got sicker and sicker. And so I reluctantly had to change my career.

SPEAKER_01 4:14

Is that something that like the autoimmune disease, is that something that like sticks around or is it something that'll kind of like fix itself with medications and right?

SPEAKER_00 4:21

So I'm I'm completely medication free. Okay. Um so I was able to heal my body through food and nutrition supplementation. And so for me, um, you know, it was so life-changing. But I also had a difficult time getting access, like so many other countries. I was traveling to Europe and other countries seeking different medical philosophies, ideas, medical care. Many other countries had access that we didn't have access here in the United States.

SPEAKER_01 4:47

And so I Oh, just because of like the FDA?

SPEAKER_00 4:50

It's because of the FDA, but also, you know, we pharmaceuticals are just kind of the first line of defense here. I think philosophically, kind of socialized medicine sometimes, like the government wants you to be healthier, right? Where if you have monetized healthcare, it's like, you know, if you if you're on drugs, people make a lot of money off of you. Yeah. I I've thought about that. That's a great question. I've thought about that a lot. Um, but I opened my first integrative healthcare clinic, my first clinic at 21.

SPEAKER_01 5:17

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:18

And I I had no business. I just hired a bunch of docs and said, I we need to figure out how to get me well. And I'm gonna take a whole bunch of people on this journey with me. Then I'm going back to vet school, but I never looked back.

SPEAKER_01 5:28

Did you ever did you finish your initial degree before you were trying to get into vet school before?

SPEAKER_00 5:33

Yeah. So my first degree is in agriculture and soil sciences. Um, and then I did an emphasis on biochemistry.

SPEAKER_02 5:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:39

And then I was in the public health department at George Washington, and then I got a master's in nutrition. And I'm actually finishing my PhD in neuroimmunology right now in viral uh activation, all you young kids that are getting pots and um long COVID and stuff like that. So that's what my research is in right now. Interesting. I love it. But still always, you know, everything's nutrient-dependent.

SPEAKER_01 6:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:04

So kind of going back on that, you opened your first clinic at 21.

Opening A Clinic At 21

SPEAKER_01 6:08

You didn't really have any like previous business experience or anything. How was it opening that clinic? Did you have to find like pillars to help you open that, or was that just all on your own?

SPEAKER_00 6:17

You know, it was kind of I my mom was a small business owner, I think, growing up. So I, you know, knew early on that, you know, you might be the CEO of a company, but you're gonna be taking out the trash and painting the walls at night. Yeah. Right. It was just this all in. Um, it was medically driven. Like I needed a way out. I needed to find a solution for myself. And I just hit so many walls of access at the time. But but on the business piece of it, I I and it's still today. It's funny, I had a meeting in Fort Lauderdale this morning. I was in Fort Lauderdale this morning for a meeting. Um, I know. But I I people that come to me to strategize their health are usually very successful. And I've never had any shame in asking them questions. Um, you know, how how do you file your taxes? You know, what do you do? Because I have a grandmother now. I just had a grandbaby. You know, how do you invest from an educational perspective? A lot of people that have came maybe from a lot more financial literacy than I did. I've never had shame in asking questions. And people have been really good to me that way. Um, I my goal is to, you know, have more financial literacy as I've grown businesses. I've grown uh many companies now. I've I've sold some companies. Um, I have a phenomenally successful supplement company. Um, we have a membership company. I've written seven books. Like I've done a lot of different things in business. And I'm always my goal is to always be the dumbest person in the room and ask the most questions.

SPEAKER_01 7:46

I think there's definitely a good lesson in that because people a lot of times are just way too scared to ask questions. Right. And that's gonna hold them back. Right. Like the more people you ask questions of, the more you just kind of like communicate with people in general, you're gonna be able to grow yourself and like kind of build connections.

SPEAKER_00 8:03

And not be afraid to ask, like, how did you do it? And then really have confidence in yourself, you know, trust your gut, believe in your spidey sense, whatever it is. If it fits for you, walk away with it. And if it doesn't, leave it, leave it there. And don't, you know, a lot of people put a lot of pressure in, you know. I I love the philosophy. There's like ready, aim, fire, or there's ready, fire, aim. I'm a ready, fire aim, right? I'm not afraid to try. And if it doesn't hit, a little to the left, a little to the right. Like I adaptive.

SPEAKER_01 8:36

That's amazing. I love that philosophy. Okay. Um, going

Supplement Quality And Third Party Testing

SPEAKER_01 8:40

back to the supplement part of it, um, so I feel like like at least my idea of supplements is there's a lot you hear about supplements, you hear you can't really control what's gonna be in them because you can't really confirm anything. Um, because I took a food nutrition class, and one of the things that they kind of emphasized was no supplements because you don't know what's gonna be in them. Right. How with your supplements do you um, how do you first of all make sure you know what's going in them and how do you know that they're gonna be helping people?

SPEAKER_00 9:08

So I love your professor because I so I formulated for many companies in the past before I developed my own line. And I developed my own line honestly at a personal need. Yeah. What was happening was many companies that were kind of these mom and pops where the owner or the founder was part of the chemistry development, they were part of product quality. Um, there wasn't this third-party testing, but they were quality. There's a there was a quality testing going on. They were being bought up left and right by Big Pharma, Big Food. Um, and the products were nasty, adulterated. There's arsenic, lead. So I started just like the things that I needed kind of for my own health and my own clinical component. Like I have a protein powder that we get the um it's a lectin-free chickpea out of Belgium. And then we get a spirulina, like, so it's very curated, very clean. Um, but there are no regulations. So you have to, in my opinion, you have to use a company. I'm a massive supplement fan though.

SPEAKER_01 10:03

Oh, wait, yeah, because like supplements aren't like FDA regulated or anything, are they? You can just get one from China.

SPEAKER_00 10:09

And drugs are, and drugs can be completely dirty too. So, so just be like I so I don't care if it's like organic and natural, I don't care if it's pharmaceutical derived, like you need to know what's in it and you need to make sure that it makes a positive impact. So we have this online community where people can, you know, you can look at where the source is, where the raw ingredient is. If it's got my name on it, it's third party tested. But what's really important is the raw ingredients, third party tested, and then post-production. Because let's say, for example, like in my protein powder, we have 27 ingredients. And you can say, okay, I'm gonna raw, I'm gonna test all 27 ingredients for lead, cadmium, arsenic, bacteria, funguses, um, and they're all below legal limits. Not there, but below legal limits. Then you blend it, and now you potentially have 20 times legal limits because once it's all put in a combination, right? Yeah, they could be just below it. And the the company, so we test post also, which I think is critically important. But it's like so funny. So, this where we saw this a lot in the food space was trans fatty acids came out as really bad for fertility, right? Wait, so what's a trans fatty? Like trans fat. It's um fats that are in things like like um cheesets and it's it's an it's an unhealthy fat. Okay. And they were saying that you know, more than four grams reduces egg quality in women, really reduces fertility. So, what all the companies did was as long as they had it below that level, so they changed the serving size so that it was lower.

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Oh.

SPEAKER_00 11:39

And then they could say that it didn't have trans fatt in it.

SPEAKER_01 11:41

They were just like, there's three serving sizes that you can have in a bad.

SPEAKER_00 11:45

Right. So there's a lot of trickery that happens in big food, and a definitely a lot of um, I mean, we have cadmium, lead, arsenic, funguses, um, insecticides, fungicides. The uh consumer report just came out and said that 80% of the supplements bought on Amazon. I will never you will never see my line on Amazon, have a form of pharmaceutical in them. So what a lot of companies, so let's say for example, you take a supplement you're for your dad and it says it's good for cholesterol. Yeah. And your dad says, Wow, this really worked. I took red rice yeast and it worked, but it actually has a statin in it. So they're putting pharmaceuticals in it, but not labeling it.

SPEAKER_01 12:23

Oh, like they're putting like a drug.

SPEAKER_00 12:26

A drug, yeah. Like wow. Crest store or something, right? They're putting it in the supplement so that then your body wants that you buy it over and over and over again because it worked. So it's it's a dirty world for sure. Um, which is I really did not, of all the companies that I've owned, the last thing I ever thought I would do would be manufacture supplements. It is, it is a rough business. It's not unless you're selling junk in a bottle, it's not a wildly lucrative business. Yeah. But it makes a massive impact in health.

SPEAKER_01 12:55

In what ways?

SPEAKER_00 12:57

So if you think about, we're the only species that has any reluctance to supplement, right? Like if you have a dog and you buy dog food, you actually can't buy it unless it has supplements added to it. Right? Enriched flour, even white flour, has to be enriched with a supplement in order to make it legal to sell as a food product.

SPEAKER_01 13:16

We why does it need to be why does it need to have a few?

SPEAKER_00 13:18

Because otherwise it has zero food, it has zero nutrient value. So you can't call it a food. Isn't that crazy? But I mean, isn't flour like the base of the food? No, not refined flour. So they have to the word enriched, right? Yeah means that they've added basically riboflavin, one of the bees.

SPEAKER_01 13:34

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_00 13:35

It's so nutrient void that it can't be sold as a food.

SPEAKER_01 13:37

So they add one little one that they like bleach and they take everything out of.

SPEAKER_00 13:41

But if you think about it, like we supplement our soil, right? Even Miracle Grow or any agricultural crop, we supplement our soil. Yeah. If we have an animal in captivity, we supplement those animals for sure, right? Yeah. When we have a professional athlete, anybody that is supposed to be at the top of their game is maximizing their physiology by feeding their biochemistry. And that's through supplementation.

SPEAKER_01 14:07

Okay. Like what parts, what do you think they really emphasize when they're trying to like um figure out what parts of their body they want to enhance, I guess?

Five Foundational Supplements To Consider

SPEAKER_00 14:16

Yeah. So let me give you some of the, I'll say kind of the five basics that are really important right now. And they've changed over the last 31 years. Um, we check all of our community members for vitamin D levels, right? Vitamin D is very important for hormone health.

SPEAKER_01 14:30

Can't you just lay out in the sun for a while?

SPEAKER_00 14:32

You can, as long as your vitamin D levels are elevated. So you can lay out in the sun and say, magic, magic, magic. I hope this works, or you can run a $5 blood test and see if the levels are actual. The problem with laying out, I'm a big fan of laying out in the sun and getting vitamin D metabolism, right?

SPEAKER_02 14:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:49

But if you have chemicals that are residual in your body, if your immune system is out of balance or your hormones are out of balance, polycystic ovarian syndrome, people that have thyroid issues, you can't metabolize vitamin D efficiently. So we have to at that point supplement for the deficiency, because with that deficiency, many things in metabolic changes go out of balance. Same thing with B vitamins. That's another one. Some people don't need them for sure. If you weren't a kid that grew up on a lot of antibiotics, right? If you're not doing a lot of the surfactants, the soaps that then get in your mouth, like you put your dishes in dishwasher or you use the rinse aid, right? Like to make your clean glasses nice and clear, that's because it gets left on the glass and then you drink it, right? That disrupts your gut microbiome. So if you have a good, strong gut microbiome, no acne, right? No um not prone to yeast infections, bacterial infections, bladder infections, and that's going well for you, then you can use your B vitamins. But if any of those things are off, we actually don't assimilate B vitamins as a human species. Our gut bacteria does. So a lot of women, a lot of young girls, we find um what we we look at intracellular in the cell, we find a lot of B vitamin deficiencies. But B, you can't like swallow a pill, you should absorb it under the tongue, sublingual, or take it in a shot. Because again, if you're B deficient, it's because your gut bugs are off. And you're gonna swallow a pill and say, gut bugs, magically do it, and you don't have good gut bugs, it doesn't work.

SPEAKER_01 16:19

When you um try to figure out like what supplement to assign someone, like with your company, is it someone gets a test done and then they figure out what's wrong and they buy like a specific supplement for you?

SPEAKER_00 16:30

So we have we have the basics, right? So things that I find kind of across the board are essential fatty acids, right? The healthy lipids. The biggest problem that we have is we roast most of our fatty foods. So roasted nuts, especially in the health food industry, there is a metabolic process. It's actually called age rage, which I love that term. It's advanced glycation in product. But when we heat high heat our lipids, it's very pro-inflammatory to the body. Um, also, we've adulterated a lot of our fish, right? A lot of our fish, like sword fish, extremely high mercury content. A lot of our salmon is farm-ranged. We've now seen many stores starting to carry um 3D printer salmon now. It's it's out. Oh, oh yes. Also genetically modified. So we've changed the lipids we find when we test people. I'd say about 98% of the individuals that we test have a lipid deficiency. Oh, wow. So we use a plant-derived non-soy omega-3, six, and nine. It also is the building block for every sex hormone: estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, all your adrenal hormones, how you metabolize cholesterol, how you balance your triglycerides. So it's really important. I think that is a big deficiency that I see. My first research was actually in the lamb industry with um fatty acids. So looking, you can't say to an animal, like, you know, how do you feel? And I think your coat looks a little dull, and um, I'd like to give you this big sales pitch, and I have an influencer that's gonna tell you sheep that you should buy my supplements. Like it's you actually have to use agro science where you say, is this changing the metabolic uh the metabolism of the animal? Yeah, and how is that impacted? So then I went like from the sheep industry to the fertility industry. You're making big jumps here. I know, but you know, it's short life, right? And we found the fatty acid component then with the hormone stuff. So B's fatty acid D, I'm a huge advocate for a high quality methylated multivitamin. Like I really do believe in that. Yeah. And then I would say with the fifth one, and and these compete for me, either a probiotic or a vitamin C.

SPEAKER_01 18:41

And what does a probiotic do?

SPEAKER_00 18:42

So a probiotic is um an actual live, hopefully it's live, a live bacteria that helps inoculate or live in your body that is a significant about 80% of your immune system. So they're what we call good gut bugs. So if you ever like in a yogurt, they'll say, like, oh, it's got probiotics in it. That's what those are, right?

SPEAKER_02 19:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 19:04

Um again, we've got a lot of depletion and probiotics. On the vitamin C piece, the majority of our supplemental vitamin C is either petroleum or corn derived, which is really hard for the human species to use. We use a beet derived. Um, but when our bodies are deficient in vitamin C, there are so many things down the metabolic chain that go off, but really adrenals. So our ability to adapt to stress is big. Yeah. So, you know, I we I find like I take three grams every single day. And it I knock on wood, not only stay very healthy, but it's good for collagen, elastin. I want flexibility, I don't want pain. Um, so it makes a huge impact.

SPEAKER_01 19:47

Um, so I'm

Diet Fads And Food As Medicine

SPEAKER_01 19:48

kind of curious. So I feel like there's a rise of like a lot of different types of diets. Yeah. And one thing that I was thinking of was like the kind of like the raw diets with like where you just eat like steak and eggs, and actually, there's some weird ones I've seen.

SPEAKER_00 20:01

Oh God. I've been into doing this 31 years. There's some crazy ones.

SPEAKER_01 20:04

I've seen one. What was it? Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 20:07

Drinking your urine first thing in the morning. Have you tried that one?

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No.

SPEAKER_01 20:11

Not very interested in that one.

SPEAKER_00 20:13

Euretarian, where you just consume air. There's some good ones.

SPEAKER_01 20:16

Yeah, I've I think one of the ones my brother was talking about, he was like, um, it was like like purely animal-based stuff, but in a way where it was like you eat meat, you eat butter, and you eat cheese. And apparently that's just eggs too, I guess, milk. And apparently that's fabulous for you.

SPEAKER_00 20:32

But so I I'm a big advocate in food rotation. Yeah. Um, I'm a big advocate in diversity of food, right? Okay, yeah. But but I do use food as medicine. So if a person has high cholesterol, not like medicine, actually as medicine, as the first line of medicine, right? If a person's diabetic, if a person has anxiety or depression, if a person was diagnosed with cancer, like first and foremost, we want to say, okay, what does your diet look like? For me, diet means did I eat today to achieve whatever it is you want, right? Maybe like my professional athletes, they want to run faster and jump higher, or someone needs to lose weight, or someone needs more flexibility, or someone needs the energy to go long hours, or someone wants to get pregnant, or, you know, like or or or yeah. And then we spin food, right? We put power on your plate. So it's a positive relationship with food. Um, it, you know, it kind of breaks my heart, honestly. Been doing this a long time. Um, the fads come and go, but it breaks my heart that we're missing this huge opportunity for nutrition because the word diet is a nasty word, right? Should be nutrition. I don't think dietitians should even be called dietitians. They should be called nutritionists. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 21:45

Right. I mean, I feel like there's so many diets now, especially like girls. I know so many literally just like won't eat for a day and be like, that's my diet. Yeah. Or like fasting, I don't even know if that's good for you.

SPEAKER_00 21:57

No, it's not. So again, I'm old. I'm 54. You know, we that was classified, and it's still classified as an eating disorder to abstain for from food in order to lose weight. There is a difference between nourishing your body, and you know, when we have these periods of time where people talk about food noise, right? People that have like cravings. Sometimes around your period, you'll crave chocolate. Sometimes when you're sad, you'll crave fatty foods. We need to stop and say that's our body talking to us. It's not being bad. Yeah. It's actually communicating with us and respecting and honoring that. It's so important. Creating a healthy relationship with food. And it should start young, right? If you're not, like I always say, because I'm a mom and now I'm a grandmother. If what you're serving to yourself, you would not be proud to put in your kindergartner's lunch and be like, I'm mom of the year, right? Like you shouldn't be eating it.

SPEAKER_01 22:49

Probably not.

SPEAKER_00 22:51

Yeah. That's kind of my litmus test.

SPEAKER_01 22:53

I like that. That's a good, that's a good like way to think about that. Yeah. Um, is there like, do you think there's like one specific diet that the average person should kind of try to achieve?

SPEAKER_00 23:06

So there's some tenets. I would say eat within 30 minutes of waking.

SPEAKER_02 23:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 23:10

That's super important. It's when we have the highest cortisol spike. So it's when we have the opportunity to set our metabolic rate kind of for the rest of the day, right? Um, I would say, you know, I'm a big advocate of grazing versus like binging, right? So I like to eat five times a day. Three meals, two snacks. Yeah, three meals, two snacks. Um, I would say in general, most people don't get enough fruits and vegetables. I mean, yeah. Yeah. So like minimally four cups of vegetables a day, minimally five fruits a day, like in again, in general. Um, and then the biggest deficiency that I see because of all the packaged foods is true healthy fats, right? Like avocado, nuts and seeds, seeds, like a lot of pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds. The seeds have to be organic, though, of all of them. We use sunflower agriculturally to clean up crop areas that are too toxic to be allowed to grow food. So we grow sunflower and hemp on those agricultural properties because they absorb the toxins so that the farmer can get back to farming faster. So they're really dirty, non-organic.

SPEAKER_01 24:21

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 24:22

Yeah. So just think about that when you're doing your sunflower seeds. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:26

Oh, wow. Yeah, that's scary.

SPEAKER_00 24:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:28

I feel like a lot of the like behind the scenes production of things, like you don't think about what you're eating. No. But it's probably like there's probably a lot that goes on back there that you would not want to be putting in your mouth if you knew what was going on.

SPEAKER_00 24:40

Well, I love to see more people putting in gardens. Like, I don't care if you're just Oh, like just in the backyard. Yeah, garden. I think it's and and I think it's good to eat that food, but I also think it reconnects you with like what actually happens, right? That to your point, we take, I mean, if you think about it, we take a dormant seed, right? Soil, some water and sunlight, and we make like fruits and vegetables. That's kind of nuts, right? Yeah, it's kind of cool, but it also shows the energy that's in our food that when we consume creates energy within our bodies.

SPEAKER_01 25:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:12

Yeah. Keeps that growth cycle.

SPEAKER_01 25:15

That is interesting. No, like it is hard for a lot of people though. Like gardening, I tried to keep a succulent alive.

SPEAKER_00 25:22

It didn't make it awake. Those are hard. Any cactuses, those are hard, not easy because I usually like the instinct to water them, right?

SPEAKER_01 25:28

Oh, when you're not supposed to, well, I fear I did not water mine and it did not survive either way. So don't know what's going on with that. Um, so you're

What Metabolism Really Means

SPEAKER_01 25:36

talking a lot about metabolism as well. When you mean metabolism, because you hear people talk about like fast metabolism, slow metabol metabolism a lot. Um, how does that kind of relate to the metabolism you're talking about?

SPEAKER_00 25:47

Right. So the metabolism is how we take what we consume, how we convert it to energy, or convert it to substance. Yeah. So are we building hair, skin, and nails? Are we building literally energy that wakes us up in the morning? So it's actually the process of conversion, right? And when people say they have a fast metabolism, basically when you consume things, whether it's a complex carb, whether it's a protein, whether it's has a high cholesterol level like an egg and milk and dairy, are you able to break that down into nutrients that can either build your body or be completely broken down to give energy? And that's what the metabolism is. Some people have very inefficient pathways, especially people that get a lot of toxic exposure. Fat-soluble toxins, it they have to, they will poison us if we don't store them somewhere. So oftentimes when we're exposed to molds and chemicals and metals, we actually slow our rate of burn so that we don't re-release those toxins into our bloodstream and we store fat purposefully. Our body does it to protect us. So, you know, that's I think one of the biggest things, like when you talk about people not eating or fasting or doing these crazy diets, right? We're actually building new cells, our whole new structure all day, every day. Yeah. And it's nutrient dependent. And so, not eating, we might scavenge for a little bit, right? We might scaven. We'll probably scavenge muscle first. Um, but we're really not going to build a strong foundation. And the way to have a fast metabolism or to be efficient is diversity, right? Get rid of toxins if you're exposed to them. Most of us are.

SPEAKER_01 27:28

What are like the main toxins

Toxins That Disrupt Hormones

SPEAKER_01 27:30

that we're kind of exposed to?

SPEAKER_00 27:31

Oh goodness. It's got so it's like, it's so cool. I love, I love you're my daughter, you're just smidge younger than my daughter, but I all her girlfriends, we have so much fun. We go to the NFR every year in Las Vegas, which is the National Rodeos final. Oh. Fun time. Rent this big, huge suite, and we all end up sitting on the bed and they ask me these exact questions. So I would say like perfumes, scented things, right? Oh, that's so sad. Febris, hairsprays, things that we put on our skin really are neuroendocrine disruptors. So they there is no doubt that they impact your nervous system. There is no doubt that they impact your immune system. That's so sad. Yeah, essential oils or like natural perfumes, like things that are truly a flower essence. That's totally, it's a it's an organic um uh product that the body recognizes not as foreign, totally different. Yeah. Then I think, you know, in our unfortunately in our food, we have a lot of what they call glyphosates or like roundup, like pesticides and insecticides. And those really disrupt our immune system and our nervous system too.

SPEAKER_01 28:34

Yeah, I can't imagine. If they're killing bugs, I probably wouldn't be good in here.

SPEAKER_00 28:38

Right. Right. Yeah, that's genius. That's absolutely right. They kill your gut bugs, right? Um then a lot of fast fashion. I mean, fast fashion has made a lot of my young kids pretty sick. When when um I first started practicing, you know, women your age, girls your age, we never saw irregular periods and the breakouts like people have. The um, I mean, we have a massive population on Accutane and birth control pill because the skin is manifesting disease. Like if we just called it what it was and it's not curative, right? It doesn't cure the acne. We have a disruption in the flora of our largest organ in the body, our skin.

SPEAKER_02 29:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:20

And we're just saying, oh, you know, let's suppress some hormones and let's, which are inflammatory-based hormones, which trigger that, or, you know, let's suppress the immune system in the form of Accutane. Like, I cannot believe how many young girls are on the birth control pill to regulate cycles. Um, you know, we're using a lot of different drugs off label in our young kids. The ADD medications, the adderall, like so many neurostimulators when we start running panels on these young individuals. I mean, we used to see this like at 40, 50-year-old women. We're seeing it in like 16, 17, 18. I mean, we saw we see progesterone levels that are that of a post-menopausal woman in our 20-year-old girls right now. It's crazy. Is that like the PCO PCOS? Polycystic ovarian syndrome is it can have that, but also just in general, because a lot of the chemicals that we were talking about earlier, they're hormone mimicking. So they they sit in the receptor site. So, like our hormones have, let's say we have a molecule that's a hormone, and then like a glove, something that receives it or a receptor site. A lot of the chemicals, even though they're a different shape, we'll make it this shape, they sit kind of oddly in those receptor sites. Yeah. So the body believes that it's received the hormone, but the chemical reaction never occurs. So we have a lot of mimicking hormones in plastics for sure, in you know, things like Teflon, like your cooking materials and things like that. Lululemon pulled all of their product from 2023 back because the level of uh mimicking estrogens was so high. So if you have old Lululemons, get rid of them, right? They had to remanufacture their whole product line.

SPEAKER_01 31:00

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_00 31:01

Because of these hormone disruptors.

SPEAKER_01 31:03

So, how do you go about avoiding all of these just awful things? Because there's it's everywhere. It's in your clothes. Right.

SPEAKER_00 31:09

So I what we we kind of have 10 things that we look at, right, when we look at the environment. So things like deodorant, toothpaste, hairspray, like there's you want to use an organic clean product for that. Tampons and pads. I mean, I cannot stress like coda or a clean brand is so important. I mean, just the difference between flow and cramps and duration of the period that we see in young women that use a non-plasticized or non-chemical-based tampon is shocking. Um so I always just think like just kind of take an inventory and say, okay, what's on me? Um, there's some great apps out now that you can scan your products.

SPEAKER_01 31:50

Oh, I know one of them.

SPEAKER_00 31:51

Yeah, there's some really good ones that you can scan your products to see if they're dirty or not, right? And just go like, what am I using on a regular basis? Let me clean that up first and foremost. I am an advocate for organics. They're not perfect, but they're cleaner, right? So, and the higher up the food chain, more importantly. So eggs would be kind of my number one. Um uh any fatty meat, right? So the higher the fat, the breast, chicken breast, very important to be organic, higher up the food chain. So if you think about it, like if you eat one non-organic corn cob, that's a certain level of chemicals. But if you eat a steer that's been raised for many, you know, maybe 24 months, and they're corn feeding, which if you're I I raise grass-fed beef personally, but if they're not, right, if it's most of it's corn fed, you have an accumulation because these toxins don't go away. They just accumulate. So they mostly accumulate in the fat. So if you have a nice marbled lots of fat around trim, you've got an even higher level of chemicals.

SPEAKER_01 32:54

How do you feel about the um like when you go to a farmer's market and you get like raw milk, like fresh eggs, stuff like that?

SPEAKER_00 33:02

Yeah, I think it makes a huge difference for a couple reasons. One, like, oh, it's so funny. I saw these vegan-raised chickens the other day, and I went, chickens aren't vegans. They're meant to eat spiders and worms and seeds, and right, like they're they're uh have a variety in their diet. Um, also something to think about in in animal production. And are you are you familiar with who Temple Grandin is?

SPEAKER_01 33:25

No.

SPEAKER_00 33:26

Okay, look her up. She's amazing. Um, she isn't a woman that was is autistic. Um, she is in animal development, animal husbandry, animal behavior. Uh, I believe it was Claire Dane's. There was a movie that that she did that was amazing. But we looked in, and I was working with her at one point and many others, but we looked at the cortisol level or the stress hormone level found in our food products, animal products that are raised in a stressful environment. And it was much, much higher. That's why I'm not a fan of like, you know, people that take protein powders, if it's um they call it like colostrum-based or whey-based protein.

SPEAKER_01 34:03

Isn't that like, isn't that the thing? That's like the best ones.

SPEAKER_00 34:06

Says the manufacturer. But but we test that's how we look in animal husbandry to see if the animal was raised in a stressful environment is we actually test the whey for cortisol for stress hormones, right? So whey has a very high affinity. I mean, we use it for detection to bust a dairy farm or not, right? Yeah. So I think the beggar, the better environment that the animal's raised in, I think the cleaner the water source. I mean, obviously we are a product of our environment. So if someone's, if if we're consuming something that's in a high stress, high impact, high, you know, maybe antibiotics, maybe hormones, um, maybe genetically modified, maybe 3D printed, we can't engage with that from a biochemistry perspective without having a whole extra burden for our bodies to deal with.

SPEAKER_01 34:54

Yeah. So just eat all the organics. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, yeah, that's good to know. Um, kind of going back to the more businessy side of things.

Building Businesses With Word Of Mouth

SPEAKER_01 35:04

So you've opened a lot of different companies. Um, could you go into some of the different types of companies you've opened, things like that?

SPEAKER_00 35:12

So um I've opened what's called integrative healthcare clinics. So they're basically um focused on health and wellness, not only prevention, but all uh, you know, disease reversal as well. Um I've opened uh I have a supplement company. I have six New York Times bestselling books. So I've an author. Um I have a globally and nationally syndicated podcast, which is awesome. Um I have two, one called uh Fast Metabolism Matters, and the other one that's called Hope and Help. And that's at the Institute for Neuroimmune Medicine. So I'm in neuroimmunology. Um what other business do I have? I have a coaching certification. So people that want to be in um nutritional health, we uh certify nutritional coaches. And then I have an uh monetized online membership community where people come together. We like run labs and we do health challenges and sometimes we do cleanses and detoxes, sometimes we do weight loss challenges, turning towards food. Um, we have, you know, cholesterol reduction challenges, all kinds of great things. And um, it's monetized, but we offer everybody in the world a free 30 days to jump in. Yeah. So you just go to myhayleypalmer.com forward slash member and you can try it out for 30 days. It's we have a huge retention. Plan on staying for like 20 years or so with me because we provide a lot of value with people that are struggling to figure out like how to improve their health. Yeah. Um, I'm trying to think what else. I raise beef, grass-fed beef. Oh, like I have a ranch.

SPEAKER_01 36:41

Okay.

unknown 36:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:43

That's amazing. Like just how big, how like big is the scale of that?

SPEAKER_00 36:47

I have 80 acres, not not large. I but um not large, but but um it has been really, really good, you know, for our family and our friends, and us we sell to a small uh amount of individuals, but it's a really good in stores or anything.

SPEAKER_01 37:03

No, no. You can't pick it up?

SPEAKER_00 37:04

Not even our we don't even sell our supplements in stores. We're only e-commerce because we you can't buy quality raw ingredients and afford to put them in a Whole Foods or a Costco or CVS or Amazon. You also really lose control of the quality of the product.

SPEAKER_01 37:23

Okay, because it's going through all these different Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:26

Well, Amazon, you know, everybody gets knocked off. They they mimic your label. We've been on Amazon and um Walmart, even though we never sold Amazon and Walmart. It's not us, right? It people just knock your labels off. Oh use your brand and your name. It's kind of crazy. Yeah. There must not be a lot of regulation there. We also don't do any of the influencer stuff. Um, you know, I've been fortunate enough that my clients are pretty vocal. They've been super kind to me, you know, just to say that this made an impact. Like when Jennifer Lopez was the most beautiful woman on um People magazine, she's the most beautiful woman every day, all the time. But like she was super kind to mention my cleanse, the 10-day cleanse. And then they had it on extra and Good Morning America. And like L Cool Jake, they called into Good Morning America so I could be on the show. And like Robert Downey Jr. was like, you know, I use this for Iron Man. Like people have been so good to me because we've made an impact in their life. We just even like when I was, you know, writing the books, there's a lot of book clubs that people participate in that help you like get on the list. I was like, if it's not gonna happen because I'm changing someone's life, I just don't want to participate in it. So it's how I've always run my businesses. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:38

And it's kind of just word of mouth, honestly.

SPEAKER_00 38:40

Yeah, uh grassroots for sure. And also like feeling if I make a change, then someone's gonna tell someone about it, right? So it's kind of cool.

SPEAKER_01 38:48

Yeah, it's that's a great way to run a business. Um, kind

Writing Books With Dyslexia

SPEAKER_01 38:52

of touching on the books as well. Um, so I know you're dyslexic. Uh-huh. Um, how did you go about writing the books while being dyslexic?

SPEAKER_00 39:00

It's insane. So um, even when I set for my last graduate uh GRE for my graduate level um entrance, I'm third grade, second month, a visual reader. Like that's my highest capacity of reading, actually. Yes. So actually, Mason Novick um was one of my clients is one of my clients. And he did the movie Um Jennifer's Body, 500 Days of Summer. Oh, wow. Juno. Yeah. And he was like, you have to write a book, you have to write a book. And I'm like, Mason, I just the one who like pushed you in the first one. Like pushed me hard. You have to, you have to. And I'm like, I can't read a book. How am I gonna write a book? Right. Um, but I did all audio. So I so it's so funny. All my books, people say it's so weird. It seems like you're talking to me. And I go, Yep, I I did all audio. So every book was spoken and then um edited, obviously. Um, what's super funny is like I listened to my books audio. It's really hard for me to actually read my own books. But like, so a long time ago, my mom's dyslexic. So I'm fortunate in this way. My mom's dyslexic, renaissance woman, highly successful. Um, I'm dyslexic, my daughter's severely dyslexic. Oh, wow. Yeah, it's highly successful. But we had the philosophy of what's called accommodate, don't remediate. So instead of sending me to an early morning class or an afternoon study session, right? So I could somehow learn. I mean, I they tried, you know, phonetics and you know, all those things. They said, how about we just read do her? How about we accompany we accommodate the deficiency instead of trying to fix it? Instead of trying to fix the deficiency. Right. And so I think for me, the confidence, it was so freeing. So I have a big like, you don't want to like, you don't want to read that for me? Probably not gonna work for me. You know what I mean? Like in on my team, they're so accommodating with my dyslexia. And it's in my every SOP, which is standard operating procedure, that that if anybody that engages with me, right, I have a very strong SOP with what technology I need or what assistant I need, assistance I need. But it is not uncommon to be in a massive, you know, with the president of my company, the CO of the company, I'm the CEO of the company. And and me to kind of put my head down and go, read that to me one more time, read that to me one more time. And it's a massive contract from, you know, lots and lots of money. I have zero shame because I was raised that like I can go 10 times faster than most people when the disability is accommodated and it will never be remediated. And and that was just really cool to grow up that way. So I try to do a lot of dyslexia advocacy because especially in families where like a parent doesn't have it or both parents don't have it, there's a lot of confusion in how to be there's a lot of like how do you fix this? I remember people saying, like, when I did books on now, you all do audiobooks, but when I started doing audiobooks, oh, it was cheating. Oh yeah. And I said, Well, can you listen to, you know, um like a massive book at 3x speed? No, I can, you know, or like I remember when I was in college, a really good friend of mine, we were in an OCEM organic chemistry class together, and I used to put my head on the desk and she got partnered with me early on. And she said, I just thought, oh great, I've got some like stoner as a partner, as a lab partner, and she's gonna not know anything. And I'd be like, No, last Tuesday at four o'clock, he said, like, I have a crazy memory, which works really well. But yeah, but you know, dyslexia, you the normal things that support um people's processing don't help me. So I think you have to find other ways. Like my assistant texts me every morning. Good morning, Haley. You're in Florida. Like literally, I don't have any concept of time and space at all. That's one of my aspects of dyslexia. Oh, that could affect that?

unknown 42:48

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:49

Oh, that it allows me to travel to 12 countries in a year and have zero impact of, you know, people get jet lag. I don't even know what that means. I have no idea. So everybody's everybody processes things differently. But you know, when I was little, dyslexia was like you're gonna be in the kind of the dummy group. So I said, watch me. Yeah, that's amazing. Don't doubt me, just watch me.

SPEAKER_01 43:13

Wait, no, I love that. Yeah, accommodate it and it works, right? Um, so I know you are a woman in business as

Women In Business And Holding Boundaries

SPEAKER_01 43:20

well, and that obviously leads to some of probably its own struggles. Has that, do you think, affected you in any way?

SPEAKER_00 43:26

A hundred thousand percent. My first massive business dealings were in Manhattan in New York. Um, and although there's, you know, tons of very strong, amazing um businesswomen, there isn't an edginess to business like there is. I would say I was in New York and Chicago a lot. Yeah. Um, and and it was very different being a woman. I had a financial advisor tell me not to worry my pretty little head. Genuinely. And I was like, first of all, I ain't that pretty. Secondly, you know, I was just like, I it gets my hackles up, even having you ask it. Yeah. I try not to walk around with a chip on my shoulder, but I Like I just spoke at this massive event in Mexico and International Conference. And as a woman, you just have to be that much better, in my opinion. Um, so, so I don't deny it. I I don't, I have a very successful, my son runs one of my companies. He's very successful. My daughter's had phenomenal success. Um, you know, I I'm not upset that my son has success a little differently, but like I went to buy a truck the other day, a big, huge, gnarly truck. And I was suggested that I ask my husband if I want the bigger engine or the smaller engine. And I was like, very interesting. And I said, you know, I don't have a husband, and there's a reason why. I know you own like multiple businesses and we're still doing this. Yeah. So, so, like, there are more there, yes, there's more opportunities. There's also more challenges. Yeah. I mean, you know, I'm glad that your generation is talking about things. We're all talking about Cornell right now. We've all had, you know, sending, I fretted sending my daughter off to college in a out of the country in a very different way than I did sending my son off. Oh, yeah. It's so different. And I think to think that it's not different in business, you're totally wrong. And like women are hard on you. Like, we don't like to see, you know, women having a hard time. So for me, I spend a lot of time helping young women start businesses. Yeah. Because when I started there wasn't that support. I was in the fertility space at first. And I'm telling you, I I mean, I traveled all over. I don't know that there was ever another woman in my group.

SPEAKER_01 45:32

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_00 45:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:33

No, it's awful. Yeah. Do you have any advice for um other women trying to go into business?

SPEAKER_00 45:39

I would say um circle yourself with successful women and circle yourself with successful men. Yeah. And friend or foe, make sure that the men are very clear that they are to stay in line when they're around you. Like no questions asked. Like, not funny. Like, not not funny, not I don't placate, I don't play small. Yeah. I'm not worried if you think I'm not soft around the edges, right? Like I am with the right people. And I just And you're not that person. Never. I remember sliding a check across the table and said, you know, you can take this back. And I mean, and it was a big check. And I said, and just so you know you're not gonna work with me ever again, and probably not anybody else in this room if they want to work with me. Like there are, I cannot believe the inappropriate stuff that's been said to me, and I'm very bold. So, you know, circle yourself with people that that if you have to be strong and bold and you walk out of the room and process it through tears, that one's gonna grab under one shoulder, the other one's gonna grab the other shoulders, and you guys gotta walk on.

SPEAKER_01 46:42

Yeah. Yeah. That's an amazing mindset to have. Absolutely. Be bold. Do you have anything you want to like just plug for the viewers? You probably have a lot.

unknown 46:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:51

You can go off a whole list. Okay.

Free Community Offer And Final Takeaways

SPEAKER_00 46:53

So, so a couple things. Um, don't be on a health journey alone, right? Like, that's why we offer 30 days for free. So go to haileypalmer.com forward slash 30 days. We, if you want to get your labs run, if you're tired of somebody saying, I maybe my thyroid's off, it's like an $11 test. We charge zero marginal. I did not know it was that like it's so cheap, but you have to beg your doctor and get gaslit. And and like 20-year-olds should be like we run a full panel on our 19, 18, 20 year olds, 14-year-olds, we start running hormone panels. Um, so, so jump in. Like, we're here and we're kicking butt and taking names and doing amazing things for people. Um, the other thing that I would say is we are a small family-owned um supplement company. I I will go toe-to-toe with anybody on the market. There is not anything more thoughtfully formulated, cleaner, more clinically effective than Pomeran Nutrition, period.

SPEAKER_01 47:50

Yeah, well, I also do feel like it's the smaller businesses that actually care.

SPEAKER_00 47:54

But it's crazy because like we are competing. We can't even, I mean, on social media, like we can't even get our stuff on it because everybody's paying influencers. When you when you can afford to spend $300,000 a week, there's a supplement company. We get all the a week to show you their supplement, we're never gonna compete. So we're totally word of mouth. So I appreciate you know, support women in business. I am a business, a woman in business. I will support your body, you support my company.

SPEAKER_01 48:23

I love that. Well, thank you so much for being here. You've been amazing.

SPEAKER_00 48:27

An amazing interviewer. I've I've had everybody from uh George Stephanopoulos to um trying to think of who else interviewed me, right? Katie Kirk to Dr. Oz. You did like John Jay this morning. Yeah, John Jay. We loved it. Yeah, I enjoyed this very much.

SPEAKER_01 48:44

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 48:44

I had a great time too.

SPEAKER_01 48:46

Absolutely.